Panterica , Apr 30, Messages: 7, Likes Received: 2, I can speak up because I built this guitar with a 7 string kahler and a delrin nut It will not work, and never come back in tune perfectly But I also set it to non tremolo for this guitar If you are going to use the tremolo you need a looking nut Looking tuners dont actually help that much because of the nut slots, if the nut slots are not perfectly lubricated, the strings will not come back in tune Hey thanks for all the responses guys positive rep is coming your way!
I think I'll keep the bridge locked most of the time, but it'd be really nice to be able to do the crazy pitch bends when I actually want to. Messages: 4, Likes Received: Ishan , Apr 30, Type 2 is a combination of the 2 parts in type 1.
The bridge part is married to the stop tail part. This "uni-matic" system is a bridge and stop tail piece in one. This is a 2 hole setup. Type 3 is the bridge section only, like in the example to the left.
This is called a string thru body. The strings pass over the bridge section and then go thru the body. This acts like the stop bar piece in Type 1. The ball ends of the strings are held on the other side of the body using string ferrules. If you have the very common 1 or 2 piece Tune-o-Matic bridge for a standard 6 string, using the common 3. The stud mounting models are best for all situations because they are designed for arched or flat top bodies and can attach to the Tune-o-Matic studs.
They are better suited to accommodate the higher string height of a Tune-o-Matic as well as compensate for steep neck angles like on LP's. Almost all guitars that use a Tune-o-Matic bridges have a steep neck angle as opposed to a Stratocaster type guitar which has a flat shallow neck angle. The stop tail piece is slid onto the 2 big slotted studs and holds the ball end of the strings. The Kahler mounts to these studs. The bridge portion the piece where string vibration stops is between the stop tail piece and the bridge pickup.
It has 2 holes in the wood for mounting. The Kahler uses the holes for a new purpose They act as levelers. Because the tremolo is mounted "floating" off the body top, it needs to be leveled. These springs pull the sustain block backward while the strings pull the whole bridge forward.
It is a balancing act. This is what makes the Fender so much more responsive to the touch of its tremolo arm. The Fender tremolo was also easier to comprehend, because it was self-contained. The strings are threaded through the sustain block to the saddles. Because the strings are coupled with the steel sustain block and pivot from the six bolts screwed into the wood of the body, there is a more substantial tone compared to the Bigsby. The Fender tremolo also has a further travel, and was designed to have upward as well as downward movement.
The tremolo arm has a stiffer feel and is much more responsive to the touch. As cool as that design is, though, there are some inherent problems. This is difficult to avoid when dealing with vibrato because of its stringslacking action.
With the Fender tremolo bridge assembly, the strings slip or become disjointed from the sustain block when the bar is depressed. This adds some tuning discrepancies as well. During the slacking of the strings, the strings will loosen within the sustain block, and when the arm is returned to the resting position, the ball ends of the strings have a tendency not to return to resting position.
Years later, Fender came up with strings that have bullet-shaped ends, to seat them more properly inside the block. Regardless of small shortcomings, this Fender tremolo bridge was resilient to abuse, and if its design was understood, players had no problem maintaining it. To alleviate friction at the nut, many players chose to tighten the springs in the back to anchor the baseplate firmly to the body, giving it only downward motion, and limiting the amount of friction hang up in the nut.
The Fender tremolo bridge and licensed versions of it prevailed for most of electric guitar history so far. Fender has since made modern revisions to their tremolo. On some later-produced Stratocaster guitars, the bent steel saddles were replaced by solid block saddle pieces.
Along with Bigsby, there were also others made by Mosrite and Gibson. But none rivaled the playability and action of the Fender tremolo. As the electric guitar entered the s, more extreme conditions created a need to build a better mousetrap.
Hit page 4 for the "better mousetrap," courtesy of a man named Floyd His name was Floyd Rose. He came up with an advancement of the Fender tremolo by eliminating the element of friction points along the scale length of the strings.
The Floyd Rose tremolo system consists of a locking bridge that works in conjunction with a locking nut. The concept is to lock the strings into each individual bridge saddle. Then, once the guitar is tuned, the nut is locked.
The Floyd Rose, being influenced by the Fender tremolo, uses the same kind of body routing, with minimal changes in the width of the rout for the top of the body. The six individual bridge saddles are mounted to a thick metal baseplate that also allows the saddles to intonate individually. At the rear of each of these saddles is a long, 3mm Allen screw, which tightens a small metal block inside, clipping off the ball end of the string.
This block is what holds the string in the saddle. The original Floyd Rose tremolo arm is attached to the bridgeplate through a series of adjustable bushings that can be used to limit the amount of swing in the arm.
Or, if you wanted, the arm could simply be tightened to stay in a fixed position. The arm itself was thicker than the Fender, which rendered it unbreakable. The bridgeplate assembly is bolted to a steel block, much like the Fender. When tuned to pitch, the strings are counterbalanced by springs in the rear cavity rout of the body. The whole assembly was originally designed to float above the surface of the body and pivot off two screws on the bassand treble sides that couple it with knife edges in the baseplate of the bridge.
Floyd Rose locking nut with retainer bar Photo courtesy Dave's Guitar Shop On the other end of this system is the nut. The strings are tuned in a normal fashion and clamped into the nut, which makes them stay in pitch. The key to making the Floyd Rose system work is in the nut, which replaced the conventional bone or plastic nut. The nut area is cut to form a shelf, and the Floyd Rose nut is bolted directly to the wood, either from behind or in front.
There is a curvature to the surface of the nut the strings pass through. The locking mechanism on the nut consists of three steel pads covering two strings each that are tightened by three stout, 3mm Allen-head bolts.
The beauty of regular maintenance on the Floyd Rose system revolved around a single 3mm Allen wrench. This was the key to changing the strings and locking the nut.
If the Floyd Rose is working properly, one 3mm Allen wrench is all you need to do the necessary maintenance—that, and a pair of wire cutters. Because the strings are locked in both areas, a guitar player can now take guitar playing to extremes, like dive-bombing notes by forcing the bar down all the way to the body.
Notes could also be raised a third, fifth, or even the seventh pitch above the picked note. Special effects like chirping, howling and squealing could be achieved by working the bar. Through all this musical abuse, the guitar would stay in tune. I have a Wilky now but it's blocked. The thing I liked about the Kahler was I could rest my palm on the rollers as hard as I wanted without taking any strings out of tune. Also, theese work better with a Floyd Rose nut as opposed to the Kahler behind the nut lock-clamp.
I just remembered that flutters were so smooth on my Kahler. Perfect for flutters in fact, if that matters to you. That is an important point. The Kahler's tuning issues almost entirely stem from their use of a locking string tree instead of a locking nut, allowing for binding issues over the nut.
How does a Kahler tremolo feel compared to a Floyd? Start new topic. Recommended Posts. Reignman Posted June 1, Posted June 1,
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